Candace Owens presents explosive evidence about Andrew Kulvette's movements on the day Charlie Kirk was shot
Candace Owens solo episode examining TPUSA's response to Joe Kent's resignation and new text message evidence about the September 10th timeline.
Summary
Candace Owens opens by addressing the backlash against Joe Kent following his resignation as director of the National Counterterrorism Center, specifically his appearance on Tucker Carlson's show where he stated that the FBI stopped the National Counterterrorism Center from continuing to investigate Charlie Kirk's assassination — with Candace arguing in her commentary that Kash Patel was the authority behind that decision. Turning Point USA's response, she argues, was to attack Joe Kent rather than demand answers, with figures like Alex Clark and Laura Loomer accusing him of leaking to Owens to harm Erika Kirk. Andrew Kulvette then addressed the matter directly on Charlie Kirk's radio show, effectively confirming that he himself shared the group chat screenshots with Joe Kent, who suggested they be made public.
The central revelation of the episode is new text message evidence from September 10th — the day Charlie Kirk was shot — showing that Andrew Kulvette was entirely unreachable for two separate windows during the most critical hours of the day. In the first window, he was unavailable from approximately 1:30 p.m. to 3:25 p.m., citing a lack of internet when he resurfaced. In the second window, he was again unreachable from approximately 3:49 p.m. until 4:25 p.m., at which point he said "My internet just came back on." Owens argues both absences are inconsistent with his public account of being home in Santa Barbara with his wife and only flying to Provo at 3:19 p.m., and are instead consistent with him having been on an earlier, unaccompanied flight — likely on Charlie Kirk's own plane — as he originally described to her in private. She also presents flight transponder data for an Egyptian plane and a "Y Refi" plane, which she argues correlates suspiciously with key events of that day. She also flags as a data point a September 5th phone call between Rabbi Wolicki, Justin Streiff, and Andrew Kulvette while Charlie was away in Asia, which she finds unexplained. Joe Rogan's casual on-air remarks about Erika Kirk — including reference to her apparent appearance in CIA-linked documentary footage — are also discussed, along with the furious Israel-first response to those comments. The episode closes with viewer comments and Candace sharing her emotional experience returning to public events at a Catholics for Catholics gathering.
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Joe Kent resigns and comes under immediate attack from Israel-first voices
Candace Owens: All right, you guys. Happy Monday. It is heating up — ladies and gentlemen, because after Joe Kent resigned as the director of counterterrorism, there was this instant stream of Israel-firsters who accused him of leaking to me. Joe Kent immediately came under attack, and curiously, Andrew Kulvette retweeted someone who suggested that Joe Kent should be arrested for leaking classified documents. Whoa. Why is Andrew Kulvette upset with Joe Kent? Is he upset with Joe Kent? Well, it would certainly appear that Turning Point wants to exact revenge, because — you guessed it — Joe Kent told the truth about something, and that something made Erika Kirk, Charlie's wife, look very foolish. And on that note, you guys, I have got some unbelievably explosive news about that now-infamous tarmac hug — the one that's been living inside of me since Charlie's death. Let's jump right into it.
Welcome back to Candace. I see the chat saying no battle bun today. That is correct. No battle bun today. But I promise you we are going to do battle.
Joe Kent's Tucker Carlson interview — the investigation was stopped
Candace Owens: We can jump right into Joe Kent. After resigning, Joe Kent went onto Tucker Carlson and he communicated some rather explosive bits of news regarding Charlie Kirk's investigation. He basically says the FBI stopped him from investigating. I'll let you listen to his words from his own mouth.
Joe Kent: The last time I saw Charlie Kirk on this earth was in June, in the West Wing, in the stairway. And I said hi to him and he looked me in the eye and he said very loudly — and it's a small space, you've been in the West Wing, it's a tight space — and he said, "Joe, stop us from getting into a war with Iran."
Tucker Carlson: Very loudly.
Joe Kent: He was single-minded. And he walked off and he went, I believe, into the Oval. So when one of President Trump's closest advisers, who is vocally advocating for us to not go to war with Iran and for us to rethink at least our relationship with the Israelis — and then he's suddenly publicly assassinated and we're not allowed to ask any questions about that — it's a data point. It's a data point that we need to look into.
Tucker Carlson: What do you mean when you say we're not allowed to ask any questions about that? We've been told that this individual Robinson is a lone gunman, and maybe he is. But the investigation that I was a part of — the National Counterterrorism Center was a part of — we were stopped from continuing to investigate. And the FBI will say that they stopped that because they wanted to hand everything over to the Utah State Authorities. Everything's going to trial. It's very, very sensitive. But there was still a lot for us to look into that I can't really get into. There was still linkage for us to investigate that we needed to run down. And I'm not making any conclusions. I'm not saying that this happened because of this. I'm just saying there are unanswered questions. We know — because of the text messages that have been made public — that Charlie was under a lot of pressure from a lot of pro-Israel donors. And again, we know Charlie was advocating to President Trump against this war with Iran. And we knew at the end of the 12-day war, at the end of Midnight Hammer, that the Israelis were going to come back and ask us to go back to war again. So we have a lot of data points — between Butler, the assassination attempts against President Trump, the breaches of his security, and what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Candace Owens: Now of course this instantly began trending. It's shocking. You have somebody who is the former director of national counterterrorism telling you that he was stopped from investigating whether or not there could have been any foreign leads or foreign involvement. "I don't know for sure, but I do know that we had things that we would have investigated had it not been for Kash Patel."
Now, we had already known that something was brewing between him and Kash Patel — that made it into the Daily Mail at some point and we had covered it. You would think — you would think — that him sitting down with Tucker and revealing this would shock the senses of Turning Point USA, that it would shock the senses of his wife. They would go, "What? Get Kash on the phone immediately. I need to speak to Kash. I need to know why he was stopped. Why Joe Kent was stopped from investigating. I demand to know why this happened." And then they should further demand that investigation take place, right? Was there foreign involvement? But of course, that's not what is going to happen following his appearance. That's never how it works at Turning Point USA. They always forget how to pretend that they aren't guilty. They don't know how to act surprised or dismayed or concerned that there could have been foreign involvement. They always do the opposite thing that the rest of the world is doing.
And this time they're angry at Joe Kent.
TPUSA attacks Joe Kent — Alex Clark, Jack Posobiec, and Laura Loomer weigh in
Candace Owens: The Israel-first crowd, like I said, immediately began demanding that he spend time in prison for leaking what they claimed are classified documents. Alex Clark — best known for posing in high boots on top of Charlie's vigil site just mere days after he was assassinated — she had this to say on X. She said: "Joe Kent is clearly no friend to Charlie, as he has actively participated in and/or egged on behind the scenes in the degradation of his wife. How anyone could defend him in any way after that disgusts me. Fake friends."
Obviously, what's missing from that is any proof. I have never heard from any person that Joe Kent egged on anyone going after Erika Kirk. In fact, in terms of public commentators who have gone after Erika Kirk, they normally loop me in with Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly. I stand alone in that group. Tucker Carlson has said he is a friend of Erika Kirk. Megyn Kelly has said she's a friend of Erika Kirk. Joe Kent — I have never heard utter a bad word about Erika Kirk. So, is Turning Point going to supply any receipts for the fact that he egged on something that was harmful to Erika Kirk?
Jack Posobiec, who works with Turning Point USA in a lot of different ways but also is military and has served the country — and therefore, like most military men, respects Joe Kent's accomplishments — came under fire for merely listing Joe Kent's qualifications and his background having served this country. This is what Jack Posobiec wrote, and I'm going to show you how Laura Loomer responded. He wrote: "Joe Kent has six Bronze Star Medals with five Oak Leaf clusters across 11 combat deployments as a Green Beret in some of the biggest battles of the GWOT." And they were infuriated. You should see the comments under this. They couldn't stand this. You cannot say anything good about Joe Kent. Laura jumps in and says, "Why are you defending a known leaker who is undermining President Trump? There is now speculation that Joe Kent may have been leaking information to Candace Owens for the purpose of attacking Mrs. Erika Kirk. What are you doing?"
Okay, I can tell you right now that that is completely untrue. Joe Kent did not leak me anything for the purpose of attacking Erika Kirk. But here is what's even more interesting. They don't realize that they're implying that Erika Kirk is guilty of something. Let's actually imagine what they're saying is true — that Joe Kent leaked me crucial information regarding Charlie Kirk and the investigation. Well, how could that hurt Erika Kirk? That should hurt the feds, if they're lying. It could only hurt someone who is lying to the public about what actually occurred on that day. The implication is that him leaking something harmed Erika Kirk. They're not saying he is a liar. They are saying he is a leaker. I find that to be interesting, and they never think through their attacks.
So we've got to figure out what they're actually talking about. Why are they so upset about what Joe Kent said? How could this harm Erika?
Andrew Kulvette addresses the leak claims on Charlie Kirk's radio show
Candace Owens: Well, we finally were able to determine what it is they're talking about, because Andrew Kulvette addressed the claims directly on Charlie Kirk's radio show. Take a listen.
Andrew Kulvette: The central claim that I want to get to is: was Joe Kent leaking certain information? And over the weekend, a clip came up and it's gone a little bit viral. I want to address it. Let's go ahead and play it.
"The way that those screenshots got to Candace is via Joe Kent. Andrew was in the chat group as well. He was one of the nine people in the group. And he admitted — at first, to be perfectly honest, at first he was denying it. We didn't know how Candace got them, but then he admitted on the air on his show that he had given these text messages to someone in the government. He told us that on the show. Joe Kent was someone that we knew had a relationship with Charlie and Andrew and Joe. We knew that when Charlie would visit Washington DC, he would talk to Joe. We kind of verified that the messages had been given by Andrew to Joe Kent and that Joe Kent had been the one to pass them on to Candace."
All right. So "verified" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I do want to confirm what I can confirm, and that is that yes, in the immediate aftermath, I did provide the group chat to Joe Kent. We don't throw around accusations recklessly here. We don't do that. We think that's keeping in the spirit of Charlie's spirit, and the way we choose to do things is to try and be responsible. So yes — in a spirit of looking at every lead, turning over every stone — we wanted everybody that needed to know to know anything that we knew.
And by the way, we've been accused of not being interested in the truth. Just to remind people what this is referring to: this is after Charlie's murder. There were text messages from a private group chat that were made public and were used to — frankly — kick off the big conspiracy theory that we've run into over and over again, which is that Israel or the Jews had Charlie murdered.
Which we do not believe. But we have been accused of trying to — or not being interested in the truth. The actual fact of the matter is that behind the scenes, we have given everything we know — every single piece of information. This was one of them. I was told I could trust Joe Kent. I provided the screenshots to Joe Kent. And I don't know what happened to them at that point — I just want to make that very clear. Eventually, Joe did message me and suggest that I make those screenshots public. I declined, because those were shared privately. I didn't want to be reckless with them in public. There could be innocent people on that group chat that would then be harmed. So I declined. But then fast forward another week or two and they were made public. So that's what I know — Joe suggested that they be made public, I declined, and then they were made public. Can I 100% categorically say that he leaked them? No. But those are the facts. Maybe somebody on his team, maybe they got passed around, maybe somebody else leaked them. But those are the facts of the matter, and that's what I know.
Candace Owens: The part that Andrew is just forgetting to add there is that he himself told me about the text chain. Andrew was telling multiple people about the text chain. And I'm so glad that he is telling the truth that this was going around — because this is their bone to pick with Joe Kent. This is what has put a bee in their bonnets. This is what has upset Turning Point USA.
As a refresher: Turning Point chose to stay entirely mum on the topic of Charlie's support for Israel. Instead, they allowed a force of Zionists who were harassing him in his last days — Zionists like Josh Hammer — to lie about what Charlie was going through. So I came out and told the truth. Megyn Kelly came out and told the truth. Tucker Carlson told the truth. He was having changing opinions on Israel. Now, we're way far down the line and we know how true that is. Bret Weinstein has released his messages about Iran. You hear Joe Kent telling you the last time he saw him in the White House, he said stop us from getting into a war with Iran. Everybody knew this, and Turning Point did not confirm it and allowed Zionists to lie about that.
Then I released the concrete proof in the form of the text chain, which then forced them to confess that there was a communication that took place less than 24 hours before Charlie was shot and killed. And more crucially, it was a communication that took place shortly before Charlie began texting his security and Andrew Kulvette — which Andrew also told me about — that he thought they were going to kill him. Something that Erika initially denied to the public.
So what we have here is that Turning Point is angry because this made both them and the new CEO and chairman — who also happens to be Charlie Kirk's wife — look bad. Liars hate when they get caught. But narcissistic liars, rather than repenting when they get caught, get angry and they seek revenge on the people who exposed their lies. They never feel any shame. The rabbi is not ashamed that he lied and said, "Charlie never blinked on Israel." He's not ashamed that he lied. He's angry he got caught. Josh Hammer was angry he got caught. "I'm exploring legal options. I should be allowed to lie to the public and make it look like Candace is crazy." They view themselves as the victims when they get caught being dishonest.
Now, liars are nocturnal creatures. They hate the light. Me, I love it. Daylight is the best disinfectant. And I have some more interesting information. Your punishment is more truth, Mr. Blake Neff and Andrew Kulvette.
A September 5th call between the rabbi and Justin Streiff — and a bigger revelation
Candace Owens: Foremost, I'll just state this — and this could be nothing — but I do want to say this. On September 5th, while Charlie was away in Asia, Rabbi Wolicki — the one who shouted me out — had a call with Justin Streiff and Andrew Kulvette. I find that to be interesting because Rabbi Wolicki does not have any role within Turning Point USA. He claims to be one of Charlie's personal advisers. I don't know why he would have a phone call with Andrew and Justin Streiff while Charlie's away in Asia. Why do two Catholics need to speak to a rabbi while Charlie's away in Asia? There could be a reasonable explanation — I would just like to hear it. It's another interesting data point for me.
But there's something bigger. Something that is explosive. It's massive. And it may even involve those pesky little Egyptian planes that were following Turning Point faith events for years. And this most definitely will require a response from Turning Point USA.
The tarmac hug — and a shifting story
Candace Owens: So let me first jog your memory about the infamous tarmac hug that lives inside of us all. I had told you all that I spoke to Andrew Kulvette on September 10th and in the immediate days thereafter, and he specifically told me something that became problematic down the line. It wasn't problematic when he told me — it became problematic down the line.
He told me that he was on a massive plane all by himself. I was under the impression it was a G5 or a G6. And after Charlie got shot, he was racing to Provo alone on this plane with no one to speak to, with anxiety building inside of him. Finally, they land in Provo. The plane doors open, and the first person he sees is Erika Kirk. Suddenly all that built-up anxiety releases when he meets her on the tarmac, and he boohoo-cries in her arms. The exact word he used was "collapsed." He collapsed into Erika's arms. Somebody painted a picture in my mind — could you imagine being on a plane all by yourself, a massive plane, you've got this G5 to yourself, you've got no one to talk to, and then suddenly you see someone and it's the first time you really acknowledge that Charlie's dead?
On that, I am 10,000% certain. But I was also put immediately under pressure that it was Charlie's plane. So I was then surprised when Andrew's story down the line seemed to shift — it became that he was with his wife, flying from Santa Barbara. No, that just can't be right. I said this instantly. I was locked in emotionally due to the adrenaline of everything that was going on those days. Andrew told me his wife asked if she wanted to fly to Utah and he told her, "Of course." A conversation that I registered as his wife having flown separately and later from him.
In fact, I was so convinced that I had not missed on this — that I heard Andrew and understood him correctly, that they had flown separately — that it was among the highest priority items for me when I had the opportunity to sit down with Erika Kirk and Justin Streiff. I had very few questions, and one of them was pertaining to the planes. I asked them who flew on each plane on that day, and more specifically, I said, "Did Andrew fly with his wife?" I did not tell them about the tarmac hug. I kept that card close, because I was going to be able to determine whether or not they were lying to me about who flew on which planes if I just didn't tell them that I knew about the tarmac hug.
Justin Streiff told me that he booked the planes. He said — and I'm paraphrasing — "Andrew's wife was supposed to be on the plane. I don't know if she got on it. Let me double check." He jotted it down as something to get back to me on. And he did eventually get back to me — the next day or so, he texted and said she was on the plane. His excuse was something like, "I'm not sure because even though I scheduled her, sometimes — it was such a crazy day — things could have changed and maybe she found her own way there in the end."
But of course, I looked at Erika, expecting her to pipe up and say, "Yes, she most definitely did fly with Andrew. I know for sure because we met on this tarmac and had this hug and cried." But Erika blanked me. She stood there and said nothing. Erika is the person who should have been able to answer that question instantly. It is not every day that you have a boohoo cry on a tarmac with a married man while his wife is standing behind him on the day of your husband's assassination. Is that fair? Am I being fair here? I feel like I'm being fair. It's fair to assume that Erika should have remembered that Andrew Kulvette's wife was flying with him — but she didn't.
Also, the other reason I felt they were lying was: why would any person wait an hour for the PR guy to land before racing to the hospital to see their husband after he was shot? That doesn't make sense. Erika had to wait an hour on the tarmac for Andrew Kulvette's plane. I instantly felt they were lying.
The text message evidence — Andrew Kulvette goes dark for hours on September 10th
Candace Owens: And now I believe that I have evidence that proves I was correct and they were indeed lying. It is highly likely that Andrew flew by himself on Charlie's plane — plausibly Charlie's plane — because I now have a message chain from that day. Arguably the most significant text chain that took place on September 10th at that company. The text chain pertaining to public relations. How are you going to communicate to the public, to the world, to employees, what is happening with Charlie Kirk? How are you going to tell them? How are you going to explain that Charlie Kirk has passed away?
So we go back to September 10th. Charlie Kirk has been shot. Instantly, the most important person at that company becomes Justin Streiff, because he's been promoted to COO — just seven days earlier, he gets promoted to COO. So he's the number two guy. And of course, the most important person for communications is going to be the longtime spokesperson, Andrew Kulvette, and their chief marketing officer, Marina Muniz.
Now, if Andrew Kulvette's story — that he is now telling the public — is true, he was at home with his wife in Santa Barbara when Charlie was shot, and then he mysteriously waits approximately three hours until he flies private with his wife at 3:19 p.m. Utah time. I'm going to keep everything in Utah time because it's just easier. Three hours. Almost exactly three hours he departs Santa Barbara. I could get him a private plane faster than that. He told me he sprinted to get on a plane. That would mean that during that three-hour time frame in Santa Barbara, Andrew Kulvette should have been available — freely communicating with the team, with the press — until that flight departs at 3:19. That's his job. That is literally his job.
That is not what these messages reveal. These messages that I'm about to show you are in Pacific time, so you're going to have to adjust them all forward one hour in your mind. At this time, Arizona is on Pacific time. So I'm going to do that adjustment when I discuss these messages — one hour forward.
At 10:02 Utah time — 39 minutes after Charlie was shot at 12:23 — Andrew Kulvette messages the group and tells them for communications purposes, they can confirm publicly that he's been shot. In this group, we have Justin Streiff, Andrew Kulvette, Marina Muniz, and Aubrey, who is later going to be fired over an Uber ride that Marina overhears.
So, at 1:29 p.m. Utah time — adjusting forward — he is informed that CNN wants to have someone on the show. Everyone's reaching out to speak about it, and he instantly says no. Just a minute later, at 1:30 p.m., he is asked, "Can Morgan do a news hit at 8:00 p.m. Eastern?" And there is no response. No response from Andrew until almost exactly two hours later, at 3:25 p.m. Utah time. He asks back: is she on Fox? Like, is Morgan on Fox? And then he replies to that initial question that was sent to him at 1:30 and he declares why he's been absent for two hours. He says, at 3:26: "Sorry, on the plane. This just loaded."
Those are an important way of describing something. In other words: I am sorry that it has been two hours and I did not reply to you. I didn't get this message because it just loaded now. Maybe you're coming in to land. Messages cannot load when you are on a plane if it's a deployment that doesn't have Wi-Fi. He is saying that the messages just came in effectively. Do we agree? That's what that means — "this just loaded."
This time frame, from 1:30 Utah time up until 3:25 Utah time, matches within the time frame that Charlie's plane is traveling. Andrew shouldn't have even taken off yet. Nothing. I'm showing you: this is Charlie's plane, and that plane is going to leave at 2:31 p.m. from Scottsdale and land in Provo at 3:31 p.m. We're going to be told that Erika, Tyler, Elizabeth McCoy, and Stacy Sheridan are on this plane. But this text chain looks like it's Andrew.
Giving even more credence to the claim that Andrew was unavailable because he was on a plane during that time is the fact that Marina Muniz, the chief marketing officer, personally called Aubrey at 2:05 p.m. Utah time and asked her to draft the death statement, which was going to go out to the entire staff. Because Andrew is currently on a plane and I don't have it within me to draft this statement. Can you, Aubrey, draft this statement? Essentially, Aubrey — the 26-year-old — is now responsible for the unbelievably emotionally heavy statement that has to be drafted in Andrew's stead because he's on a plane.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate that Marina — this person — is going to then, just a few months later, be behind getting Aubrey fired because she had a conversation with an Uber driver? If you ever make your employee go through the emotional trauma of having to draft statements to the press and draft statements to the entire company to announce that their CEO has died on the day that he has died — that employee should just be allowed to chill and do nothing for like three years. This all came down to a 26-year-old, and then they're going to make her work insane hours, fire her and her fiancé because they had a conversation with an Uber driver and she wasn't loyal to Erika. That feels criminal to me. I know it's not literally criminal, but it should be a crime.
Anyway, back into this. This means obviously that Andrew had to have been on an earlier flight, just as I had remembered. We now have hard evidence. We have the call logs, we have text messages showing that Andrew was unavailable from 1:30 p.m. to 3:25 p.m. And it's about to get stranger.
A second disappearance — and the death announcement goes out without Andrew
Candace Owens: At 2:27 p.m. Mountain time, the email goes out to the employees confirming that Charlie Kirk has passed away, drafted by a 26-year-old. And then Andrew is going to disappear again from the chat — during the most critical time. Again, this is his literal job. They have just sent employees an email that Charlie Kirk has passed away and that the office is going to be closed for the rest of the day. A company-wide email to that effect, when the entire world is watching, is going to leak. And what's going to happen is they're going to get a sudden influx — the PR team is going to get a ton of emails. Aubrey is going to get a ton of messages. People wanting confirmation: is this a real email? Is it true? Is Charlie dead? Is the office closed?
At 3:49 Utah time, she's going to ask her boss, who has been unavailable: should I confirm or deny? Justin Streiff is going to come back and say, "Confirm or deny what?" And she's going to say that the office is closed, to which Justin is going to say yes. And if the email is authentic, the press wants to know. Justin — who, remember, told me that he booked the planes and therefore should know if Andrew is unavailable — then jumps into the chat and says, "It's your call, Andrew. It's your call. Obviously, it's true." That is at 3:52 p.m.
And there is curiously again going to be no response from Andrew until 4:25 p.m. Utah time. And when he finally replies, he is going to have another excuse. He says, "My internet just came back on."
"My internet just came back on."
Okay, so we have a two-hour window and then we have this additional hour window in which Andrew Kulvette is unavailable to do the most important thing on the most important day of his job. And in each instance, he doesn't have internet. What goes on in Santa Barbara? It's very strange.
The calendar visualization — Egyptian planes and the Y Refi plane
Candace Owens: So now I'm going to place all of this on a calendar so you guys can see all the moving pieces here. I'm also going to add some Egyptian planes that were transponding, because I find they line up a little too precisely. Remember, there was an Egyptian plane that was just transponding on a tarmac in Provo — mysteriously just turned on — and I always felt like that was something that shouldn't be ignored. But Turning Point wasn't concerned about it. Not Erika. They were cracking jokes. They're not interested at all in foreign involvement. Joe Kent? Oh, what a terrible, indecent human being for wanting to find out whether there was foreign involvement. We hate this man.
Let's look at this calendar. First, that Egyptian plane is going to transpond from 10:05 a.m. to 11:34 a.m. — this is all Utah Mountain Standard Time. Then we have these blocks in which Andrew Kulvette is unavailable, according to his own text chain. And when he responds and says the messages are just loading, that's the second block, during which we also have the Egyptian plane transponding again. And during that time is also Charlie's plane's flight from Scottsdale to Provo.
So: Andrew is not available. This is all happening at a time where he should be there. Andrew, according to his own story, does not have anything to do until 3:19 p.m. So why are communications from executives indicating that Andrew is unavailable and on a plane, when Andrew is not supposed to be on a plane? All times adjusted for Utah time.
Now, there's something I'd like to add here. This is moving toward speculation — but the reality is that secure communications happen via satellite. That's how planes communicate. Planes are not using cell phone towers. They're above cell phone towers. They're communicating via satellite. That's what you'd have satellite phones for, if you're like in the military running a ground operation. Satellite phones are what intelligence agencies use, because they sit outside of landline infrastructure and outside of cell phone towers. The Department of Defense — which is all over this story for some reason, with Lori Frantzve being part of the Department of Defense — they have their own satellites entirely for the purpose of running operations.
So, were they to run any sort of ground operations, they'd likely hand those out to their people. And this may be nothing. But while we're in speculation territory — Blake Neff sure had an interesting way of describing his phone call with his mom after the shot rang out. Remember, he was defending Mikey McCoy and talked about how he ran, and after he ran, he called his mom. Listen to the words he uses.
Blake Neff: I remember he calls Erika by around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. Pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call. And around that time, I put that phone away, and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy.
Candace Owens: "I put that phone away" is a very interesting way of putting it. No one calls it "that phone." "I put that phone away" implies you have two phones. That's what it implies. You otherwise just say, "I put my phone away." He says it so casually because he's not thinking about it. These little things happen. Again, it's just a data point worth exploring. Did he have another phone? Maybe he had a work phone. But if I'm running counterterrorism, I'm interested.
Anyway, let me show you that second part of the chat that we did not have for you earlier, where Justin Streiff jumps in saying, "Confirm or deny what?" — all these messages are coming in, is the email authentic — and then it is at the end there, at what would be 4:25 p.m. Utah time, that Andrew jumps in and says, "My internet just came back on." Justin's message reads: "You may need to wait until AK is on the ground. My internet just came back on."
Why is he gone all day? What's going on? Where are you? Who are you communicating with?
The Y Refi plane and the Egyptian transponder — correlating movements
Candace Owens: Another maybe purely speculative bit of information is the Y Refi plane. I never liked their story here. I never liked this plane. I called it the Y Refi plane because that's who Erika told me was on the plane — Y Refi was sponsoring the event, that's the guy who walks over in the video. And I always felt I was interested, because — first off — why are you flying into Duncan Aviation? Duncan Aviation is not where you typically fly into. Usually you fly into Signature, you fly into Atlantic. Duncan Aviation has a bent towards military. It is for fixing planes. So what are we doing at Duncan Aviation, full stop?
Anyway, the Y Refi plane had some interesting routes that day. It goes from Scottsdale in the morning to Provo, then from Provo to Santa Barbara at 10:24, then from Santa Barbara to Scottsdale. And if you actually put this up, you will start to realize that when this plane lands at the times that it lands — like when it arrives in Provo at 10:06 — it happens to land at a time when that Egyptian plane starts transponding. Same deal when it lands in Scottsdale at 1:44 — the Egyptian plane suddenly starts transponding again. It's like planes can communicate with each other on a satellite if they know which satellite they're going to. Again, I'm in speculation zone.
But I don't like the idea that this was just a drop-off. It also goes to Santa Barbara and to Scottsdale — all the places that are involved that day. And yes, this plane is somehow associated with Turning Point USA. It gives me the ick.
And people who lie, people who are abusive in their lies — when they get caught in their lie and then get angry at the people who revealed them — they tend to keep lying. It's a pattern. It's a personality trait, so to speak. So that's why we call this Frequent Liar Miles. We don't know exactly what's going on. But we are going to stay on this this week, because we are getting close.
Joe Rogan comments on Erika Kirk — and the outraged response
Candace Owens: Adding to the Israel-firsters' frustrations is the fact that everybody can see that something's not right with Turning Point USA and Erika Kirk — and that includes the biggest podcaster in the world, Joe Rogan. They were so angry because he went on his show and just kind of said water is wet. Take a listen.
Joe Rogan: Yeah. Like, Elvis is real. We used to have fun, kind of playful conspiracy.
Guest: A lot.
Joe Rogan: Yeah. And now it's all out of whack.
Guest: Now it's Macron's got a dick.
Joe Rogan: Exactly.
Guest: I've heard Erika Kirk's got a dick. I've heard that one.
Joe Rogan: Whoa. Well, she seems thrilled right now.
Guest: She's an odd duck.
Joe Rogan: She's a kook for sure. You ever seen the compilation of her making crazy eyes?
Guest: No.
Joe Rogan: There's a video of her making demon eyes, and every time she makes the eyes, the music is so ridiculous.
Guest: She's possessed.
Joe Rogan: Well, she just gets intense. She seems — she's having a good time. Well, she was on a reality show, you know.
Guest: Yes.
Joe Rogan: So she's a star.
Guest: A little bit, maybe.
Joe Rogan: She was also in some weird CIA documents, or CIA films. Is that right?
Guest: Yeah. You never seen those films?
Joe Rogan: No. No. See if we can find those films. There's some weird internal films that they made that she was a part of.
Guest: She looks like a pageant lady who grew up.
Joe Rogan: 100%. Well, I mean, she essentially was a pageant lady. Wasn't she in like Miss USA or one of those things?
Guest: I don't know. Maybe.
Joe Rogan: Well, there's a thing that people want — that attention-fame thing.
Guest: That is what they really want.
Joe Rogan: Yeah.
The clip then cuts to footage in which Erika Kirk is addressing congressional officials, referencing five types of threats including cyber, hackers, physical threats, solar EMP, and man-made EMP.
Joe Rogan: Very weird. She's doing a CIA informational video.
Guest: Weird. Like an acting gig, or is this something else?
Joe Rogan: Perhaps — or, you know, but even so, you're doing an acting gig for the CIA. Who calls you for that?
Guest: Yeah.
Joe Rogan: You ever get one of those calls?
Guest: No.
Joe Rogan: And my agent never hit me with that one.
Guest: Yeah. It's odd. Well, there's a lot of people who think that she was his handler.
Joe Rogan: She was Charlie Kirk's handler. But of course, there are a lot of people who think I have antlers.
Candace Owens: He's just speaking common sense. And I love that he addressed particularly the CIA documentary, because they came out and tried to gaslight us — "the CIA didn't produce the documentary." Okay, yes, but the head of the CIA is in it. You have to get approval from the CIA to be in a CIA documentary. That doesn't just happen casually. As Joe Rogan says: are you getting that phone call from your agent? And no, she's not acting. She's specifically referring to her mother's business model — EMPs. So she's not acting. She's involved.
And so, people online were so angry about it. Mark Levin tweeted: "Is this some AI production? If not, what a total disgrace." Then someone else said, "This is some sick stuff from Joe Rogan. As if Erika hasn't been through enough already."
How about just acknowledging that you do not have the power to transform reality? You're losing this repeat battle to try to tell us that up is down and down is up. And everybody can sense that something is not right with Erika. Everybody can sense that it is not normal for somebody to lie. It's not normal for an organization to be angry.
Even if Joe Kent had released every single message and said, "This is what Charlie was going through" — how would that hurt Erika? Someone explain how it would hurt Erika to get closer to determining what was going on in his life in the last few days. Especially when people are lying. None of this would be weird if Josh Hammer had come out and said, "You know, he was pretty fired up before. I feel so bad. That was our last conversation." If they were honest about what happened in the Hamptons. It happens. You get into arguments with people. If I had gotten into an argument with somebody and the police asked me, I wouldn't be up there saying, "We never had any issues at all. We never even had one miscommunication. He just loved me every second of every day. Nothing was weird." No — I would say, "Oh my gosh, we had a massive fight yesterday. I heard the messages. I feel so — are you kidding me? Life can be taken from any moment." They don't know how to just be normal and not lie.
Just tell the truth. And don't get upset if you believe somebody else is telling the truth. That's what they're angry about. They are angry that Joe Kent is echoing what everyone has said. We all told the truth instantly. I told you the truth based on my discussions with Charlie about where his headspace was when it came to Israel. I didn't need Joe Kent for that. I didn't even know Joe Kent at all. Had never had a single communication with Joe Kent until after Charlie was assassinated. That is the honest-to-God truth. I didn't know this man at all.
And so this whole idea that everyone is colluding to tell the truth — Megyn Kelly told the truth. Tucker Carlson told the truth. And you guys hate us for that. You guys want us canceled and attacked for having the spine to do what you did not. You were going to allow a hostile takeover of his legacy and we said hell no.
Viewer comments
Candace Owens: All right, you guys. Top comments from last episode. Betty writes, "Saying Erika never sought the spotlight is like saying Ben Shapiro never brings up Israel." That's in response to Andrew Kulvette saying, you know, Erika never wanted the limelight. I'm sorry, bud. Have you paid attention to my Erika timeline? I can't find a moment when she wasn't seeking the limelight.
This next user, Ted Bundy's Ghost, writes: "A woman who applied for numerous reality shows can never claim that she was not looking for the limelight." Yeah, it's an absurd allegation that she was not ever pursuing the spotlight. I don't know why he would say it, but Andrew Kulvette just says stuff a lot of the time. And your punishment is more truth.
Comments on this episode. Lindsy writes: "Candace, your ability to speak truth with clarity and humor is unmatched in a time that feels upside down. Your voice cuts through the noise. The sarcasm isn't just funny — it wakes people up. You are not alone. You've got an army behind you." You know, it was so good over the weekend. I did my first event in a really long time. I had such anxiety leading up to it — the Catholics for Catholics event — just because watching Charlie be publicly assassinated... not all of us could be like Erika, who was fine the next day and said she felt no fear. I had a lot of fear and anxiety and apprehension. And it just felt so good to get back out into the public. To see so many people at the airport, people swarming us. You do need to plug back in with the fighters. You need to go out and get together with like-minded people and appreciate how loved you are. You need to go out and see people and take pictures with people. So really, I just want to say thank you to you guys, because it just felt so rehabilitative to be out in public. We had a fantastic event at Catholics for Catholics. I appreciate you guys more than you'll ever know.
Jonathan writes: "We love you and support you, Candace. Thank you for your voice. God bless you." Thank you, Jonathan.
Anthony writes: "Please start calling it 'Nee-vada.'" No. Look at me, Anthony. Connecticut is not doing that. You say Nevada — we say Nevada. Where are you from, Anthony? Nobody knows, apparently, because you're saying Nevada. That's crazy. It's Nevada. If people in Nevada say Nevada, that's just wrong. I need to know where in the US they're saying Nevada. Actually, Skyler just told me the name comes from the Spanish adjective — "nevada," meaning snow. So I'm definitely right. There's no "-adda" in Spanish. Connecticut wins.
Venice writes: "Someone start the petition for Candace's nomination for Joe Kent's former job." I always think I'm going to get called. I thought Turning Point was going to call me when they needed someone in PR, because I could help them. Like: you guys have to pretend you're surprised about the Egyptian planes. You guys have to pretend like you're surprised that Joe Kent is saying the investigation was blocked. You should be concerned, not angry — concerned. I can help them with regular human emotions. If everybody's a droid at Turning Point USA, they need me. I can go in there, give them a little bit of humanity. This is how humans feel when they hear this information. I can help input their algorithms. They cannot process — what do you mean, I'm supposed to feel sad? Or concerned? I'm here for that. Hire me.
Bonita Joshua writes: "Hey, Candace. Support from South Africa. Keep fighting the good fight." Anthony, where are you from, Anthony?
CZ Zach Run writes: "Let's throw the whole pot of spaghetti on the wall. See what sticks and how much falls on the floor. These people are pure evil. Take everyone not on their side out. It is sad to see Boehner become a little man trying to link Candace and Joe." Yeah, I didn't know what it was about. They were all over this. I said: drop the receipts. I never got classified information from Joe Kent. Like I said, the person who originally told me about the text chain was Andrew Kulvette. So it's so wild to hear him sit up there and be like, "Well, whatever." And again, why are you upset about more information being given to the public? He says, "Well, I was trying to protect innocent people." Innocent people who were lying to the public and saying Charlie never blinked on Israel, when they were arguing with him the night before — who knew how stressed he was, how aggrieved he was. Those people are therefore not innocent people. Innocent people don't lie. I'm not saying they're guilty of a crime for lying. But I'm saying they're not innocent people, because they lied.