Candace Owens presents new footage and timeline anomalies from the day Charlie Kirk was shot
Solo presenter episode in which Candace Owens reviews surveillance footage, eyewitness accounts, and Frank Turek's newly published book to identify what she describes as contradictions in the official narrative surrounding Charlie Kirk's shooting on September 10th.
Summary
This is episode 400 of the Candace podcast, in which Candace Owens continues her investigation into the events of September 10th — the day Charlie Kirk was shot at Utah Valley University. Owens presents what she describes as newly enhanced surveillance footage showing Kirk's staff and security team being escorted by what she characterizes as federal officers into unmarked white vehicles, rather than driving themselves to Timpanogos Hospital in the rental SUVs already available to them. She questions why junior staffers such as Mikey McCoy, Nate Walker, and Danny Phillip received what she calls federal VIP treatment, and why two security members — Blake Gibson and Blake Hariff — later returned to the scene wearing hospital scrubs while Charlie's driver, Christopher Rhoades, did not. Owens also examines Frank Turek's newly published book The War on Reality, identifying what she argues are significant contradictions with Brian Harpole's previously stated account — specifically that Turek claims all three people in the back of the SUV were trying to stop the bleeding and that he personally administered CPR, neither of which was mentioned in Harpole's account. She also notes that Turek makes no mention of a fire captain who, according to an independent review, administered CPR at the hospital.
Key Takeaways
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Episode 400 opening — Blake Neff response
Candace Owens: Happy Thursday, and also happy episode 400. I don't know — that just feels like a fantastic milestone on this independent endeavor. I feel a little bit of pressure to make today's episode special. And Blakey Pooh, I'd like to dedicate today's episode to you, girlfriend, because — like, totally, oh my God — Candace is just upset that Erika is a white woman that murdered Charlie, or whatever. What?
Honestly, in retrospect, the craziest part of his little rant yesterday was the random insistence that I hate white women. That was just so random. It felt like an elephant clipping, original, fresh out of the Latvian nerds factory.
Anyway, today we must sentence Blake Neff, right? I feel we must do that appropriately, of course, for the crime of speaking while being Blake Neff. That is illegal. And in this courtroom, the sentence is always the same. I sentence you to more truth.
And you know what, guys? Some more funny things happened on the way to the hospital on September 10th. And according to Frank Turek's recently dropped book — did you know that he dropped a book last month? I'm not so sure he remembers any of it.
Blake Neff's attacks and Candace's response
Welcome back to Candace. Blakey hurt my feelings yesterday. He called me so many names. He completely violated one of Charlie's cardinal rules of never engaging in ad hominem attacks. He called me all sorts of things in that X Space. He said I was wretched, nasty, absolutely awful. He claimed that I dislike other pretty women. He also called me illiterate thereafter on X. I just feel sad on the inside. I'm sad, Blake. Why do I have to deal with these elementary insults? I'm nine months pregnant and still the attacks are unceasing. Where are his manners?
Now, I'll have you know that I'm actually an exceptional reader, a writer, and an effective communicator. But most of all, I think my chief talent is researching — researching and creating official timelines, gathering intel. And unfortunately for Blake, I've been researching September 10th extensively, and there are things that took place that day that register to me and the broader public as anomalies. I just cannot shake this feeling that we are not being told the entire truth.
Also, Blake Neff — his existence in general, everything about what he says that day. He can't remember what he was doing in Salt Lake City. Why was Danny Phillip driving Blake like he was in an Uber ride, with Blake in the back seat? That doesn't make sense. And after Charlie got hit, one thing that I cannot make sense of is why Blake Neff and Danny Phillip didn't just immediately book it to the hospital — drive themselves over to the hospital. What other value add is Blake? You think he's going to help with the investigation?
Reviewing Blake Neff's account of Mikey McCoy's reaction
Now, I want to jog your memory here, because first we were told by Blake the story about Mikey McCoy's quivering lip — a lip that quivered in a way that Blake would never forget — followed by an intimate conversation with Erika, followed by Mikey transforming into a battle-hardened general. Take a listen.
Blake Neff: It was clear in the moment that he was profoundly freaked out. What I'll always remember is the way his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before, and you very rarely see from someone — that he was freaking out. And then I think he literally said to me — I might be imagining this, but I think what he literally said was — and then he was looking around, and then he says, "I need to call Erika." And he then takes his phone and he begins calling Erika. And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that — your mind extends all of this — but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring.
I remember he calls Erika. Around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, "Mom, there's been a shooting. You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. Pray for me. I've got to go." And I remember that call. And around the time I put that phone away, he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie. You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now." And that's what he told him.
And I guess it's very — it's disgusting for me as someone who witnessed this, who saw Mikey hugely distressed and then step up in the moment. Because after that call was over, I saw Mikey get total mastery of himself — that he realized he had to step up in this situation. And from that point he was like a general directing a battle, where he was grabbing people and saying, "Okay, we need to get to the hospital and we need to do these things, and you guys need to wait here. I need to get in here to get information so that I can get it to Erika." And when we learned he was dead, he came out and he told us, and then he says, "Now, none of you can say anything that you've heard, because Erika is not going to hear about this from anyone except me."
Candace Owens: Okay. So how old is Mikey? Early 20s, right? I think he was going to go to Liberty University and then decided to be Charlie's chief of staff. So we're talking really early 20s. Mikey started working for Charlie as chief of staff when he was promoted in 2023. And I just always struggled with this version of events — that Mikey somehow was the nucleus. This kid is like, "I've got to figure out what's happening, what's going on at the hospital. I'm going to be the one that communicates to Erika." Who are you? Who are you? Also, who's communicating with you at the hospital? How are you getting firsthand updates from — from who? Particularly at the hospital.
And when I hear that description — "We've got to figure out how to get to the hospital" — it sounds like they were then going to immediately go to the hospital. And I want to say that that sounds like a journey that would have been really easy to figure out, because they had three additional black SUV rentals in their possession.
The rental car map and the question of transport
Here's a refresher on the map of cars. We know that the Yukon Denali is gone — it was being driven by Christopher — but we have a Jeep Wagoneer, which was a security vehicle being driven by Alex Faria and Dan Flood. We've got the Lincoln Navigator, which was being driven by Justin Davis. You've got another Yukon Denali that was driven by Danny Phillip. So what's the issue? Why do we need to figure anything out? Let's go. Let's get to the hospital. We have no other value here.
Then we discovered and revealed to the public that no — Mikey did not immediately go to the hospital. He actually gave an interview, a statement of sorts, to a woman from ICAC. ICAC stands for Internet Crimes Against Children. We had wondered out loud why that would be the correct person to be taking a statement from Mikey McCoy. Is he a child? Is he on the internet?
By the way, I can tell you that that officer has since left her position. Her name is Fia Aisi — Fia spelled F-I-A, full name Lafayettea Aisi. She is no longer doing that.
But after that interview with her, what Mikey does is he dips into an SUV — presumably to make a phone call somewhere quiet; I bet it was noisy — and when he reemerges, it's time to go to the hospital.
And I was thinking: you've got all these extra rentals. I'm assuming the crew is just going to jump in them. No, that's not what's going to happen. Can we all agree that it would be kind of weird if they instead tried to call an Uber rather than taking these very expensive per-day rental SUVs? It would make zero sense for them not to direct the remaining personal security team to drive them — or at least one of the remaining members of the security team — to drive them to the hospital.
But as we all know, nothing in this story actually makes sense. The story itself features magic bullets, men of steel necks. It can only continue upon a path of absurdity.
New surveillance footage: the walk to the federal vehicles
So what happens next — and I can show you — is that Blake and Danny Phillip reappear upon the scene just before 1:00 p.m. local time. Where were you, Blake? What were you doing in all that time? Do you remember where you went, Blake, after Mikey's quivering lip? Because Mikey came back. Mikey's giving a statement. Where did you and Danny go? I want you to think about that. I know you're watching.
In the meantime, I'm going to explain to audiences what happens after you reemerge with your little group. What happens is they are escorted by what appears to be federal officers into completely different vehicles. It's like Uber, but where the driver is a fed — that's the best way I can describe it.
And I don't want you guys to take my word for it. I want you to watch it. Seeing is believing. Here is Blake first returning to the scene. You're going to see Danny Phillip and Nate Walker with him. And you're going to pay attention to that top right quadrant of your screen near the caution tape. We're going to go full on this. I'll let you watch it.
Just so you guys know, we slightly enhanced this to make the images a little sharper on your screen in case people want to download this. You can see — there's Blakey and Nate and Danny and an officer. That actually looks like it might be Jeff Long — Chief Jeff Long. You can see the security. There's an open vehicle. Looks ready.
Next up, we find our characters Blake Neff, Danny Phillip, and Nate Walker, and security members Blake Hariff, Blake Gibson, and Charlie's driver, who we have identified as Christopher Rhoades — more on him later. They're going to begin a group walk toward the back parking lot. It looks like an employee parking lot that's just behind the Hall of Flags. And then they're going to traverse through the admin lot toward what is a federal car lineup. I'm calling this a federal car lineup before I show you because all the vehicles are white, and I have learned this is a federal officer thing — they drive these unmarked white vehicles.
Skyler, let's actually first take them through the map so they can see visually what's going to happen. Okay. So let's get into where the cars are initially parked right there. And then what they're going to do is they're going to come down — and you see that's a parking lot, that's going to be right there, that L1 employee parking lot. They're going to kind of run through that, over past the tree line, into — if you want to just kind of make a circle here — past the admin parking lot. And there's going to be a ton of cars where you see that roundabout, a ton of white vehicles all around there that are lined up.
Again, this is just before 1:00 p.m. I'm showing you this because it's going to be a bit blurry, so let's first do this in a labeled slideshow and then I'll show you the actual videos.
So what you have here is Mikey McCoy, you have Nate walking toward him, and you also have Blake Gibson, and just behind him — let's go to slide two — you're going to see that's Christopher Rhoades, Charlie's driver. That is Danny, very easily identified because of his backpack, and that is Blake. So they're just behind them. Next slide — this is what I was showing you, sort of going toward the admissions lot, and they're kind of all just under that tree. This is the route they are taking. You've got Nate Walker, Danny Phillip, Blake Neff, and Mikey McCoy in this shot. And then making up the tail end, you have Christopher Rhoades and Blake Hariff. And then what happens is they divide into two separate white vehicles.
In vehicle one you've got Mikey, an officer, Blake Neff, Nate Walker, and Danny Phillip. In vehicle two you have the security team — Blake Gibson, Blake Hariff, and Christopher Rhoades — and again the vehicle is being driven by an officer.
Now we're going to watch this. I'm sorry if you're listening to this on audio — you are going to have to switch to video. It's a lot happening on the screen. I've already told you who the characters are. Let's first watch them begin to move away from behind the Hall of Flags. Take a look.
So you can see they're all starting to walk there on the left — Nate, Blake, Blake. A lot of Blakes in this story. Three Blakes, actually. And then you see Chris is making up that tail end in the top left quadrant. That's Charlie's driver.
Now let's go to video two. You can see them coming across that back lot I just described to you — that's the employee lot. You're going to see Nate run up to Mikey. Mikey puts his arm around him. They're walking, and you can see Danny is making up that tail end with Blake Neff and Chris. They're going to keep going across this lot, and that's going to bring them to the admissions lot where you're going to see them just in the tree line. There they are on that right-hand side — the whole crew.
And in the next video, you're going to see that they split and get into two separate white vehicles. Splitting to the left are Mikey and Blake Neff and Danny Phillip with the federal officer. And on the right, getting into that white vehicle — I definitely should have given you guys a circle there, I'm sorry about that. You can rewind and you can see there are two white vehicles, and then they're going to take off. Look at that top left quadrant — you're going to see Mikey and them getting into that white vehicle right there parked on the side. And then they're going to pull off and go straight. And that white car behind them is actually going to come around — that's the car featuring the security members.
Guys, while I'm live, could you mind just circling the two cars they get into for a still somehow, so that I can show that to them later so they know what they're looking for the next time they run it back? That's totally fine. Yeah, take your time.
Arrival at Timpanogos Hospital confirmed by local news
Anyway, so in car number one, as I stated, we have Mikey McCoy, Nate Walker, Danny Phillip, and what appears to me to be a federal officer given the car. And we can confirm that they went straight to Timpanogos Hospital because the local news caught them arriving. And that's exactly who arrives. It's about 1:10-ish p.m. Take a look at this.
News anchor: We have a lot of news still to cover here. We want to show you live pictures which we've just gotten into the Fox 5 Atlanta newsroom out of Utah, where we're continuing to follow developments surrounding the shooting of Republican activist Charlie Kirk, who was on a campus nearby talking to students as he frequently does. He is the leader of the Republican youth movement. President Trump called him instrumental in getting him reelected as president. There was a shooting today, and Charlie Kirk's representatives confirming that he was shot and is being treated at this hospital.
The missing security team and the scrubs question
Candace Owens: By the way, if anybody recognizes and can ID that police officer who's walking them into Timpanogos — who drove them — please email us at moretips.com. We would like to identify every single person in this story.
My question, however, is: where did group number two go? We've got missing security people that got into the separate white vehicle. We have Blake Gibson, Blake Hariff, and Christopher Rhoades. Can we actually pull up the map of the security team so people can refresh themselves on who Blake Gibson and Blake Hariff are? Charlie's driver is not in this shot, but you've got Blake Gibson — he's the one with the slick-back hair — and you have Blake Hariff, and they're in that car with Chris, who was Charlie's driver.
Where did they go? They weren't driving. It looks to be another federal officer. And we don't see them arriving at the hospital with Blake. So we can safely assume that they didn't just follow them to provide further security. They're not walking into the emergency room with them. Where do they go? Especially since their rental cars are left behind at the UVU scene.
And more crucially — this is now after 1:00 p.m. If they're not going straight to the hospital and escorting them and walking with them inside, what's going on? Why are two out of three of those security members — and this is the biggest question — why do they come back wearing scrubs? Blake Hariff and Blake Gibson are going to come back wearing scrubs that evening, but Christopher Rhoades, Charlie's driver, will not be wearing scrubs. If they were all together, why not?
Christopher Rhoades, as we know, is the one who mysteriously went up to the rooftop with Nate Walker just before the shot rang out. He leaves his car wide open. Presumably he does not change into hospital scrubs. Why not, if they're all together?
I'm starting to wonder — and I will do so out loud — were the hospital scrubs actually even given to them by the hospital staff, or did they go somewhere else? Were scrubs — which you can get your hands on and just purchase — handed out to them by federal officers? I'm wondering about that regarding the security team. Maybe people have information about that, but I'd like to know where they went. Maybe they gave statements. Maybe they went to a federal office and gave statements.
I'd also like to ask out loud: why on earth are these virtual kids — just fresh out of college — receiving this level of treatment at all? Nate Walker just started working. Mikey McCoy has been there longer but is super young. Danny Phillip just started working in May. Why are they receiving this level of treatment? If you're a federal officer and an assassination takes place, why would you be speaking to these first, second, and third assistants first? Why are they not being immediately directed away from the investigation? If they want to go to the hospital, find your own way there. Why are they being personally escorted by officers to the hospital?
Think of any other scenario, any other event. I've never seen that happen. I'd be like, "Who are you? I'm sorry. This is a federal investigation. You're a third assistant, Nate Walker. I'm sorry. Who are you, Danny? Why would I put you into a federal vehicle?" And don't say, "Oh, because they were witnesses." Tons of people were witnesses. They're going to the hospital to go see Charlie. How does that make any sense? Who made that call?
It would make sense for his wife to receive an escort — not his third assistant. Are the federal officers listening to Mikey dictate? Who ordained him in that scenario where suddenly he's calling the shots like a general and you have federal officers escorting them to the hospital? It doesn't make sense to me. If there's an obvious answer, please share it.
Identifying Christopher Rhoades
On another note, by now you have probably drawn attention to the fact that we did make a positive ID on Charlie's driver, Christopher Rhoades — spelled with an A: R-H-O-A-D-E-S. I also want to be clear that there is another security member by the exact same name who works for the new security team at Turning Point USA, FRG Security. That is not him. Do not email me about him. It's just the same name. Rhoades is obviously a very common last name, so that's not suspicious at all.
The one we were looking for is Christopher Rhoades. From what we gather, he appears to be from Texas and he is working with Brian Harpole. I will leave it at that. Still weird, I will say, because that was the very first person we've ever tried to identify on the show with so much difficulty. I know he's involved in private security and in that world, but that was very, very strange. More on that later.
I'm sure some people must have grown up with him in Texas. If you know anything, I would love to get in touch with Christopher Rhoades. If you can establish some connection between me and him, please reach out. I'd love to get answers as we continue to investigate this. More tips at candaceowens.com.
Anyway, your move, Blakey. Your move. Because it sounded like you guys were rushing to the hospital, and I don't think that really was the circumstance. Actually, I can verify it wasn't the circumstance. So was Mikey coordinating the fed stuff? Was it Danny? Was it you? Think carefully before you answer.
Frank Turek's book The War on Reality — the SUV account
Okay, I don't know how I missed this, but exactly one month ago, on September 8th, 2026, Frank Turek published a book appropriately entitled The War on Reality. On that, we can agree — there is a war on reality. Now, we might disagree on some of the details. I think the war is being brought by your ilk. Magic bullets telling us we have to believe it. Elephant clippings to make us all see a bunch of information and believe that it's organic and catching fire. The War on Reality is an appropriate title. I don't know if you are the appropriate author, Frank Turek, because I think you are engaged in that war.
Now, I want to read you his account of what happened after Charlie got hit. And you're going to notice that there are some slight changes to the narrative — and when I say slight, I mean not slight at all. Massive changes.
Let's read this first excerpt:
"I hear a loud pop and see Charlie go down. I yell, 'No, no, no,' as I take a step toward him. But a security team is already there. So I run along with them to the SUV that we had arrived in. Meanwhile, my son and daughter-in-law are hearing all of this live as I instinctively shove my phone into my back pocket without hanging up. Fearing this would happen one day, I told myself in advance that if it ever did, I would do whatever I could to help Charlie. He was like a son to me. So I crawl into the back of the SUV trying to help in any way I can. Charlie's security team — Justin, Dan, Brian, and Rick — men who loved Charlie too — are much cooler under pressure than I am. They calmly but swiftly do exactly what they were trained to do. While I'm perched over the back seat looking down at Charlie and yelling — that was my special skill — Justin is driving, Dan is in the passenger seat holding his phone with directions to the hospital. To my left, Rick is in the back with Charlie's head in his lap, and Brian is to my right at the other end of 6'4" Charlie, whose feet are hanging out the open back right door. I'm not sure how Brian manages to stay in the SUV as we yank and bank our way to the hospital. Just got to get it in there. Door open. No sirens, no emergency lights, just raw adrenaline. When we get about halfway there, an ambulance is barreling toward us in the opposite direction from the hospital. We debate stopping for half a second, but think better of it and press on. Justin hits the gas as we barge through intersections like traffic laws were merely suggestions. That's when someone recalls just enough self-preservation to yell, 'Let's get us there in one piece.' In the back, Rick and I are praying out loud while urging Charlie to respond. All three of us in the back are trying to stop the bleeding."
Wait. Hold on. All three of us are trying to stop the bleeding. That's a problematic statement, Frank, because you did not try to stop the bleeding. You've never made that claim. Brian Harpole certainly has never made that claim. This is, I would say, in stark contrast to Brian Harpole's account. This is not something you can tell us you forgot or simply got wrong. This describes someone lying. You either tried to stop the bleeding — which we were told was just Brian; he says he got to work, he's packing the wound, he said there was no CPR, he's the one trying to stop the bleeding, he doesn't even say Rick Cutler is trying to stop the bleeding — or you didn't. So you wrote in your published and edited book that all three of you were in the back trying to stop the bleeding. That's wrong. You were supposed to be just praying in the back seat. Now you claim in a published and edited book that no, you got to work on Charlie. That's a discrepancy I cannot allow.
Let's listen to what Brian Harpole said on John Ryan.
Brian Harpole: The problem is we're going down the road and Charlie's so tall that his leg — his left leg — is down in the door and the door won't close. And so I'm on my knees with the door open with my butt hanging out of the side, and I'm on my knees doing the medical, and Justin's driving — we're going 60, 80, 100 — and Rick has me across the kit and my shirt so that I can use both hands to do the medical.
Interviewer: So you don't fall out of the car.
Brian Harpole: So I don't fall out. And I just look at him and I don't need to say — he's got me, I know he's got me. Rick's a brother. He's got the tattoo. And so I was like, "He's got me." And so I'm just working medical. And Frank's praying out loud. Rick's praying out loud.
Candace Owens: When did you try to stop the bleeding? And how did you try to stop the bleeding? Because now we have to imagine that Brian blacked out the entire ride — that's the only way for him to have completely forgotten that you not only helped to stop the bleeding, but also that for the last couple of minutes, you also provided CPR. But Brian was distracted. Well, how distracted was he? He didn't even notice you were trying to stop the bleeding first. Again, does not make sense to me.
Let's keep reading:
"All three of us in the back are still trying to stop the bleeding. I switch to CPR."
So we're supposed to imagine three of them are trying to stop the bleeding, and then Frank switches to CPR. Brian's going to black out at this point.
"But Charlie isn't there. His eyes are fixed. He isn't looking at me. He's looking past me right into eternity. We burst into the hospital yelling for help into what felt like an empty emergency room. And for an agonizing minute, no one seemed ready. We're yelling for help. Then within a couple of minutes, a medical team descends on him. They get a pulse — a flicker of hope. They rush him to an operating room."
Okay. A couple of things right off the bat that registered to me as odd. In a published book, you had no recall or mention of a fire captain doing CPR, which was revealed by the independent review. Where is that part? By the way, I do fully believe you on the hospital being empty — as we said, it's been alleged that they moved everybody out a couple of hours before, for reasons that are not yet clear.
Also, if you're saying — and again, you're writing this, you're editing this, you're thinking through this — we can't call this a simple mistake. It's not like you're speaking it. You are writing a book and documenting your experience. You say you switched to CPR. Nobody else remembers that. But you curiously leave out the fire captain. Who is the fire captain? Where is the fire captain in this narrative?
And then you tell us that a medical team descended on him and they got a pulse — a flicker of hope — and they rushed him to an operating room. I remember learning that that was actually what Brian did. That Brian found the room. That Brian cut the shirt, got him ready for the defibrillator. That Brian then escorted himself out of the room. I don't know — these details are getting a little bit hazy for me.
Turek's claim about Dan Flood's jurisdiction
Let's keep reading. I'm also going to correct a typo in this book — he says "I embrace Don," misspelling it. He's referring to Dan Flood.
"I embrace Dan Flood, the head of Charlie's security, and tell him that this is not his fault. Dan's team only had jurisdiction over Charlie's immediate area."
That is a printed lie. That is a printed lie.
"The local and university police were supposed to have secured the larger areas, including the rooftops."
That is a printed lie.
"Dan later showed me a text confirming exactly that. Similar breaches of security that we saw in Butler, Pennsylvania tragically came to Utah that day. Rick and I continue to pray out loud."
Now, we showed you a few days ago when he went on the Brandon Tatum show and he said sort of this narrative, and then quickly shifted. He said, "Yeah, in the hospital Dan showed me the text between him and Chief Long." And then he actually said he showed it to him a couple of days later. That seems like a crucial detail. When did he show you this text? Because it shouldn't have been that soon. We didn't know that it was the rooftop. Nobody at the hospital should have known that the shot came from a rooftop that quickly, because they were still investigating. It could have come from the audience. It could have come from the side. Nobody knew anything at that time. So it would be very odd if Dan showed him that message at the hospital. But of course, with Frank, the details change. It gets hazy. He says "later" — we don't know how much later.
Turek's account of Mikey McCoy at the hospital
He continues:
"Soon, Charlie's chief of staff, 23-year-old Mikey McCoy, arrives at the hospital. Like Charlie, he carries a maturity far beyond his years. Mikey has already sent a plane to get Erika and is on the phone with the United States Vice President, JD Vance. About 30 minutes after our arrival, the surgeon from the OR steps into the hallway where we're all standing. His expression is like stone. He sternly announces — 'He's dead.' No, no, I'm sorry. No, we tried everything — just the verdict delivered with all the tenderness of a brick. He then demands to talk to Erika on the phone, perhaps hoping to practice the bedside manner he seemingly forgot to use on the rest of us, by delivering the news to the grieving widow himself."
Now, when Blake tells the story, it makes it seem like Mikey is the one who delivered the news to Erika. Blake just told us: "No one's giving any information to Erika. I'm going to be the one to call her." Frank is not clear here as to whether or not Mikey is there when they find out the news from this surgeon that Charlie is dead. According to my timeline, Mikey should not have been there for that announcement. So I'm not sure if this is meant to be chronological, but Mikey and them should have arrived just after, according to our timeline, because Victor Marks had already tweeted out — announced, rather — that Charlie was dead onto his social media accounts.
And like I said, this in general conflicts with Blake's earlier assertion that Mikey was the general, Mikey was the conduit of information, everything had to come through Mikey, and he was the one providing the updates. For what it's worth, between the two of them, I believe Frank on this. I think the surgeon was the one who called Erika with the news. And yeah, I'm going to keep it at that.
But there are a lot of conflicting stories in this narrative, and it makes me very uncomfortable that Frank just cannot remember what happened on the way to the hospital. It makes me uncomfortable that seemingly a VIP red carpet was rolled out for effectively a bunch of just-graduated college kids. Does it make sense to me? It makes me wonder why it took so long for them to get to the hospital. And I'm referring to Nate and Blake and Mikey. If you're going to be his assistants, why are they hanging around? And like I said, who ordained Mikey on that day?
If the story is true and he was the point person for all things, the question is: who permitted that? And that keeps happening. It's like the feds were listening to the team rather than the other way around. Because don't forget — Frank then tells a story that he's the one who told the feds that he'll be taking Charlie's necklace from the car. That's what he said. We actually received a different tip about that necklace. I'm told it was a totally different version of events that took place at the hospital — not when Frank went back to the car to grab his backpack and then said, "There it is. There's the necklace." But I'm still hunting down information and I want to make sure I'm 100% when I deliver it.
Call for information — fire captain and Christopher Rhoades
So I will ask anybody regarding Timpanogos again: if you know who the fire captain was — the fire captain, pardon me — who administered CPR to Charlie at the hospital, please, we would like to hear from you. We want people who have information. I know we know how to research and we obviously have it down to a very small pool of individuals that it likely was. We want concrete information. Who was the fire captain? I want somebody to say, "I work with him," "I'm married to him," "He's my cousin — he was the one that did CPR that day." That's the information we're looking for so we can confirm. We are down to two possibilities, but we want an absolute confirmation. You can email us at moretips@candaceowens.com.
Stills of the two federal vehicles
Okay, we have that still ready for you guys. I'm going to show you the still of the two cars they got into. Yeah, there you go. In case you need to go back and watch — that one on the left-hand side is going to be the Mikey McCoy car, Blake Neff and Danny Phillip to the hospital, escorted by an officer. And then we have another officer driving on the right-hand side, and we have Christopher Rhoades and the two Blakes on the security team — Blake Hariff and Blake Gibson.
And I again want to stress that Mikey's vehicle goes straight, and we were able to track that the security vehicle goes around the little roundabout there and then seems as if it's heading the opposite direction. That might be because of where it's parked, but I am left wondering where they went. There are a remarkable amount of fed vehicles — you can see all around the roundabout, a ton of police undercover vehicles, fed vehicles. And we know that they get into two of them and pull off. Interesting. Why can't the security drive themselves? Why is everyone being treated like a federal VIP on this day? For what reason? Why are they coming back in scrubs? We need answers.
Audience comments and Erika Kirk's "grift" slip
Top comments from yesterday's episode. Blake speaking again on a live — "murder." I meant to say "married." Okay. Vicle Fairy writes: "Blake done Neff." I love that. Blake done Neff again, every single time. Little Dudet writes: "So Andrew said 'guilt instead of grief — we're processing our guilt.' Erika said 'grift instead of grit.' That is true. Blake said 'murdered instead of married.' I wonder who will be next to make a slip. God does work in mysterious ways. The truth needs no campaign. It always comes out in the end." Absolutely. I agree with you.
I can actually show you guys — in case you never saw it — we didn't show it on the show when Erika said "grift" instead of "grit" while she was introducing the president of UVU, Caleb Chilikut, at AmFest 2025.
Erika Kirk: Caleb Chilikut, a rising senior and chapter president at Utah Valley University, has been involved with Turning Point USA since 2023. Despite the devastating loss of Charlie Kirk, my incredible husband, at UVU, Caleb has persisted with the same grift. Excuse me. Gift. Grit. It has been a long day.
Candace Owens: Trust me, you're not a grifter, honey. It's all good. Yeah, it is something. When they misspeak, it sure is something.
More audience comments — Theo Von clip
Comments from today's episode. Alaska Dog Lady writes: "Happy 400 from your OG gang. The Qatari money crowd seems to forget — hands signed Candace's cups. I have one." And man, I remember that. This is the OG crowd. Way to grind. Truth grows organically. God bless. And St. Joan of Arc, pray for us. Christ is King. Thank you so much for being along on the journey.
Schlay Walt writes: "Someone needs to take away the internet from Turning Point at this point. It's great to see you laughing. I feel like you get the giggles every time you're pregnant. God bless you and your family. We ride at dawn for Candace. You have an army. They have she who must not be named."
Everyone who watched my sit-down with Theo Von — we had such a great time. I think already over two million people have watched it, just been up for two days. I always have a great time with him. He's a wonderful friend. My children positively adore him. They call him Uncle Theo. And he makes for a great neighbor, as you might imagine. Head over to Theo's channel and support him. Watch the episode. Watch other episodes. He just — if you need a laugh at any time in your life and you need a break, Theo Von is the person to watch. Theo Von and Tim Dillon.
Do you actually have that clip? Yeah, let's play it.
Theo Von: Actually, this is true. I walked into your kitchen and there was some lady from behind who was making something on the counter or something, and I was like, "Oh, dang. They got a little thicky in here. They got a little lady from Atlanta working over here." And then I forgot you were pregnant. He turned around — it was me —
Candace Owens: I didn't even hear you say that.
Theo Von: I didn't say it out loud. No, I don't even —
Candace Owens: You said it in your head.
Theo Von: Yeah, I said, "Oh, dang. They got —"
Candace Owens: And now you said it out loud.
Theo Von: Dang. Girls love you. What the heck? Where are they?
Candace Owens: There's a lot of them. I get text messages. I get Instagram stuff. You're in your prime. You've got to go out there.
Theo Von: I've got to get out there.
Candace Owens: Yeah. You've got to find your — you've got to get out there.
Theo Von: I was going to take a nap later. I'm not now — getting on my bike.
Candace Owens: It was like kind of a farmers-only dating thing or whatever, but I think it was — not dark, it was darker farmer women, or tanned farmer women, and you were like the most tan on there or something like that. Yeah, it was just a conservative female dating site or something.
Theo Von: What? Count on darker farmer women.
Candace Owens: Look, I don't think it's a bad look.
Theo Von: No, that sounds very negative.
Candace Owens: It's a good place for people to meet people.
Theo Von: Why are you on these websites?
Candace Owens: I'm not on them all the time.
He is absolutely hilarious. Truly. And yeah, thank you to the millions of you guys who have already watched that episode.
Final audience comments and closing thoughts
Nary — I hope I'm saying that right — writes: "God bless you, Candace, your team, your family, and everyone who has come forward to share information. I pray people stand for truth, for truth lies in Jesus Christ. You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Amen. John 8." Thank you so much for saying that. It's been a journey, but we are getting somewhere. And I can't believe that we've got people in Latvia that just gave us everything we need to know. I know way too much about the Latvia nerd because all of the sleuths in Latvia were just sending me: here's his mama, his data, where he used to work and think and blink — and it was amazing. I just love that all over the world people are writing in. We're going to continue to ask you to do that. The information has obviously proven to be fruitful. Even if we don't respond, you see that we're presenting the information and crediting our sleuths back at home.
Nona's fave five writes: "Candace, I'm so confused with the behavior of Blake Neff, Andrew Kolvet, and Erika Kirk. It's almost like they don't want facts about what happened to Charlie. Blink twice if I am close. Enjoy the little one. God bless you and yours." I mean, from the beginning, that's what it's felt like. It's like they just never wanted it to be investigated. And people obviously register that as weird. And that's why I say The War on Reality is an appropriate title. I just don't think Frank Turek should be the author of that, because they have been the people that have launched this war on reality — trying to tell us, "No, what she's doing is normal. Everybody grieves differently. And by not grieving, she's actually grieving. And it's normal that she's taken over his company and she has no experience. And it's normal that she didn't feel any fear right afterward, or that she didn't want to keep her children away from it not knowing who the killer was. It's normal that she forgave the killer and can't forgive Duski." None of it's normal.
And so that is the war we're fighting. We are the people that are seeing reality for what it is, asking questions. And their response is just: "Well, we've got the power. We know people in government. We know the officials. We've got the president on speed dial. We get escorted by feds to go to the hospital." Yeah. That's just sort of gross.
This is clearly Turning Point 2.0 — nothing like Turning Point USA 1.0, which was a grassroots movement that people and students followed and wanted to believe in, believing that the country could be changed. Now we're learning the country can be changed in the most spiritually dark ways. People that are handpicked. It feels like they just kind of put the Midas touch on Erika. Who is Midas? I don't know. Someone in Vegas, if I had to guess.
Pollo writes: "The more unhinged Blake Neff gets, the more flamboyant he becomes." He does. That's the right word. Blake is flamboyant. He's just a girl from the Valley and he wants to gossip with the girls. He is obviously not somebody who could ever take over the Charlie Kirk show. I think that deeply upsets him. Like I said, he clearly had a mother who loves him greatly and told him that he was talented in ways that he most certainly is not. I mean, Blake is — in a way he's impressive. I would describe him as impressive. He leaves an impression. That's all I could say. That's all I could offer.
Emiline Irish writes: "Keep up the great work, Candace. Sending you prayers and love from Ireland. You are an inspiration. Continuing to shine the bright light of honesty and hope in this rough world. God bless you and yours today and always." Thank you so much for saying that. It's been a journey, but we are getting somewhere.
And I can't believe we've got people in Latvia that just gave us everything we need to know about this. I love that all over the world people are writing in and we're going to continue to ask you to do that. The information has obviously proven to be fruitful.
Final call for information and closing remarks
I would love to learn a little bit more about Christopher Rhoades and to establish a connection. Maybe he watches the show. Who knows? Somebody knows him. I just want information. I'm sure that there are many leads here and questions that I have that can be reasonably answered. I don't know why nobody wants to reasonably answer them. People just want to threaten and file lawsuits, and that does not make you look innocent.
When you have the option — and Candace texts you, Brian Harpole, and asks a very simple question — you can just say no. And you instead opt to file a lawsuit and claim, "Well, I didn't answer that question four times when I was asked it because I didn't want to contribute to more views." Like, who are you? You think you're like Céline Dion? You can't even form a proper sentence. "I was doing the medical." I feel like anybody that says "I was doing the medical" should not be doing any medical. Like, if I was going to go in for a surgery and the doctor was like, "Okay, I'm going to do the medical" — I'd be like, "Ah, no, no, no. You will not be doing anything to me, sir. You will not be administering any drugs. Nothing at all. Get me someone I can speak to." "I'm just going to do the medical." "Open your mouth." Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Dentist. I'm good. Nope. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Doesn't seem like you know what you're doing. Don't even know what you're saying.
Anyways, let me stop before I get double sued by Brian Harpole. We will see you guys on Monday.